A test of your true knowledge. What organization was MORE instrumental is gaining women the vote?

The feminists or the Trade Union Movement?A test of your true knowledge. What organization was MORE instrumental is gaining women the vote?
Years before the term feminism was even invented (in 1882 by Hubertine Auclert) women had been voting in some parts of the US e.g. Wyoming in 1869. Its typical of feminists to claim credit for things that were already being put in place by other people e.g. university access for women in the UK had been arranged years before feminists started demanding it.A test of your true knowledge. What organization was MORE instrumental is gaining women the vote?
In the United States it was brought up in 1915 and lost from a vote of 174 to 204; again, in January 1918 with President Wilson practically begging the house to pass the bill; he won out; from there it was carried to the senate; again, he begged, all that was needed was a two-thirds majority, they lacked two votes. So, it was brought up again in February 10, 1919 and lost by one vote; now, while this was going on women all over the nation were sitting on pins and needles you could say; save, of course Wyoming (1869) and Colorado (1893), they'd already been voting. With all the tension going about, it was reelection time, President Wilson called a special session and the bill was brought before the house; on May 21 1919 it was passed with 42 more votes than necessary; all the while the suffragists were sitting on pins and needles. They had no more control than an egg being fried in a frying pan; they were at the mercy of the men; it was up to the men not them. Fighting for does not always equal getting, as taking by force does not equal receiving.
*PERFECT! THIS IS ABOUT BRITAIN!! LABOUR IS SPELLED WITH A ';U';!!!


So is neighbour, favour, flavour and colour! We love our ';U';'s too!





The evidence says you're wrong, son. And you appear unable to present evidence to the contrary, so I think your goose is cooked.





It was due to the efforts of Suffragists (not Suffragettes).





';Most textbooks falsely give the impression that it was the suffragettes who got the vote for women. It was in fact the suffragists who played the most important role in this.';





--John Simkin, British historian





';For many years I have been concerned about the way the 鈥榁otes for Women鈥?issue is presented in school textbooks. I am especially concerned about the impression students might get about the way women got the vote.





Those women who believed it was morally right to use violence in order to get the vote were in a very small minority (the suffragettes). At its peak, the Women's Social and Political Union (WSPU) only had around 2000 members (Of these, over 1,000 went to prison). This was to fall dramatically in 1913 when it began its arson campaign. Several of its most important figures left at this point. They also disagreed with the WSPU鈥檚 new strategy of arguing in favour of a limited franchise (an attempt to get them the support of the Middle Class). This lost them the support of socialists like Sylvia Pankhurst who was fully committed to getting the vote for all women. By 1914 the WSPU only had a few hundred members. It was a broken organization with all of its leaders either in prison or living in exile.





In contrast, the National Union of Women's Suffrage Societies (NUWSS) was still growing and had over 100,000 members. The suffragists, led by Millicent Fawcett, was this group that the government was really frightened of. It was an organization that refused to resort to violence. In fact, the tactics of the NUWSS were later adopted by Martin Luther King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC). The suffragettes were equivalent to the Blank Panthers.





Most textbooks falsely give the impression that it was the suffragettes who got the vote for women. It was in fact the suffragists who played the most important role in this. It is also interesting to compare the different ways that the suffragettes and suffragists behaved during and after the war. The suffragettes campaigned for all out war with Germany whereas the suffragists campaigned for a negotiated peace.





The suffragettes accepted the limited franchise whereas the suffragists continued to fight for equality between the sexes. Suffragettes ended up in the Conservative Party or the British Union of Fascists whereas NUWSS members continued to play an active role in the reform movement via the Liberal and Labour parties.';
In doing a bit of research, I found a bit of feminist humor (we had a great sense of humor back then, too.)








http://womenshistory.about.com/od/suffra鈥?/a>





';In 1915, writer Alice Duer Miller wrote,








Why We Don't Want Men to Vote





Because man's place is in the army.





Because no really manly man wants to settle any question otherwise than by fighting about it.





Because if men should adopt peaceable methods women will no longer look up to them.





Because men will lose their charm if they step out of their natural sphere and interest themselves in other matters than feats of arms, uniforms, and drums.





Because men are too emotional to vote. Their conduct at baseball games and political conventions shows this, while their innate tendency to appeal to force renders them unfit for government.';








Woman after my own heart! LOLOL.





She would be perfect for asking MQs on Y!A, wouldn't she?





So far, I haven't found any reference to trade unions working on women's suffrage, except a reference saying that the men of the AFL alienated women of the WTU after WWI because the AFL men advocated for the ';family wage,'; a wage large enough for men to support a family, so that men could get the jobs and women stay home, lol.





What's your source?





And bear in mind, the women's suffrage movement started long before the existence of trade unions. To say that trade unions were more instrumental in gaining women the vote, if that were accurate for any part of the quest for suffrage, would only be a relatively brief effort compared to the decades suffragists' activism.





If you look at Wiki on women's suffrage or the 19th Amendment, you'll see that this was not primarily a male (unionists' ) effort! On the contrary, most of the time.
Well, since early feminists were instrumental in getting trade unions in place to begin with, it all points back to the feminists either way.





Listen love, I know my history.


http://books.google.com/books?id=oSr6y2H鈥?/a>





You should learn some. But the fact is that the suffragists had more to do with it than labor unions. Now are you going to actually back up your claims, as I have done, or should we assume that you dreamed it up?
Sorry young fella, the facts don't line up with your wishes. The strange thing is that you seem to think it's a case of scoring points for your side... were you even born back then? In which case, congrats for embracing computer technology, Granddad :)
The Rockefeller family; they started, funded, and lobbied for the women's movement.





No social movement goes anywhere without some fat cat financing it.





They pushed for it in UK also.
The Trade Union Movement as I understand it.